When we change our environment, it often lets us think and feel in new ways. How might your thinking be different if you were on the water, say kayaking in the ocean or on a lake?

Meet Sarah Scala, a leadership and executive coach who offers kayak coaching as part of her unofficial services. She takes leaders out to kayak on salt or fresh water, which helps them slow down, be present, and think more openly.

In this bonus interview episode, Deb and Sarah discuss kayak coaching sessions – what’s cool about them, what happens, and when a session like this might be possible for leaders. If you love the water and are curious about how it can help you think more expansively, press the play button now.